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rorapid

Homos-finding the "gay" gene rubbish

This discussion continues from the "Thomas Sowell" thread.

SunAlsoRises wrote:

Can I ask you rorapid, do you know any homosexuals? Is anyone in your family gay? Are any of your close friends gay? Is the extent of your understanding of homosexuality gleaned from Will and Grace and offensive bar jokes?


Yeah, I know people who are gay and I have nothing against them. No one in my family is gay. I really don't have any "close" gay friends, but I do have good friends that are gay. Still I do not think there is a gay gene and most scientist studying this believe it also. Being gay is a lifestyle choice not a born "genetic" trait.
SunAlsoRises

Re: Homos-finding the "gay" gene rubbish

rorapid wrote:
Still I do not think there is a gay gene and most scientist studying this believe it also. Being gay is a lifestyle choice not a born "genetic" trait.


"Most" scientists? To the contrary, "most," meaning the majority, of scientists believe that homosexuality has no "single" cause, but is a result of a mixture of nature and nurture. There have been too many studies that do show too many genetic coincidences among homosexuals for it not to suggest a physical connection.

So this means, people may be born with a genetic predisposition that could lead to a homosexual lifestyle. Depending on the individual case, the person may or may not realize the disposition.

Noone is "exactly the same," that is why scientists assume it's a case by case thing. Some may have a stronger genetic predisposition than others, but that does not mean that "being gay is 100% a choice."

I personally have several close friends who knew they were gay since they were 4 or 5 years old. They grew up in strong christian households, they weren't "molested as a child" as some are so quick to assume, and they never even "wanted" to be gay, in fact they fought it for years.

Only when they accepted themselves as who they are, did they become happy and confident.

For people to snidely wave their hands and dismiss the hundreds of thousands of people who have each had an individual journey as all "choosing the lifestyle," when they have NO idea how much some of these people fought it themselves, or how hard their lives have become because they are now true to themselves, is the highest order of arrogance and ignorance.
rorapid

Re: Homos-finding the "gay" gene rubbish

Sun Wrote:
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Most" scientists? To the contrary, "most," meaning the majority, of scientists believe that homosexuality has no "single" cause, but is a result of a mixture of nature and nurture. There have been too many studies that do show too many genetic coincidences among homosexuals for it not to suggest a physical connection.

So this means, people may be born with a genetic predisposition that could lead to a homosexual lifestyle. Depending on the individual case, the person may or may not realize the disposition.

Noone is "exactly the same," that is why scientists assume it's a case by case thing. Some may have a stronger genetic predisposition than others, but that does not mean that "being gay is 100% a choice."

I personally have several close friends who knew they were gay since they were 4 or 5 years old. They grew up in strong christian households, they weren't "molested as a child" as some are so quick to assume, and they never even "wanted" to be gay, in fact they fought it for years.

Only when they accepted themselves as who they are, did they become happy and confident.

For people to snidely wave their hands and dismiss the hundreds of thousands of people who have each had an individual journey as all "choosing the lifestyle," when they have NO idea how much some of these people fought it themselves, or how hard their lives have become because they are now true to themselves, is the highest order of arrogance and ignorance.



Like I said before, I do not have anything against gays. They chose that lifestyle and now are demanding special rights is what I don't agree with. Just as Thomas Sowell questioned, just because a person is a pedophile, should we let them marry children, I don't think so. The only difference between a pedophile and gays is that having relations with children is illegal. Their sexual preference is different than the "normal" preference, so should they be given "special" rights?
rorapid

I define normal marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Not a man and man, nor a women and women. It is just like plumbing, you have male adapters and female adapters. The male adapters are inserted into the female adapters.
SunAlsoRises

rorapid wrote:
I define normal marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Not a man and man, nor a women and women. It is just like plumbing, you have male adapters and female adapters. The male adapters are inserted into the female adapters.


I didn't ask for how you define "normal marriage," I want to know how you define "normal." What makes something "normal, and another thing "not normal?"
rorapid

Normal is what is ordinary and not normal is what is not ordinary. HA! Normal is what is common or standard. The mode of the population is what is normal, or the one that occurs the most. Not normal falls outside of the margin of error or is considered an outlier which is +- 3 standard deviations from the mean, or a z-score of 3.
SunAlsoRises

rorapid wrote:
Normal is what is ordinary and not normal is what is not ordinary. HA! Normal is what is common or standard. The mode of the population is what is normal, or the one that occurs the most. Not normal falls outside of the margin of error or is considered an outlier.


Thank you.

So basically, you're saying "normal" is determined by what the "majority" does. Thus the "majority" determines what is best for the "minority." Am I correct in that assumption?

The only problem with that is, sometimes the "majority" of people in a particular time period are misled, or downright wrong in their beliefs. Take interracial marriage for example. If the federal government had been swayed by the "majority" of opinion at the time it finally began to become "legal", we could still be living in the dark ages of federally approved racism. The opponents used the argument that marriage between different races "wasn't natural" and that "god separated the races for a reason."

You could make the argument that interracial marriage "is not normal" because the large majority of Americans don't marry someone of another race. Interracial marriages only make up around 4% of American marriages.

How do you feel about that? The majority doesn't partake in it, arguments have been made against it using the bible, we should make it illegal again!

Or do you believe that marriage should be kept man/woman only because that is the definition of traditional marriage?
rorapid

Being a different race is not the same as being gay. Being gay goes against the way we were built/nature. We were built to reproduce and being gay you cannot reproduce. The plumbing doesn't work. I love how you compare it to that, so I again will compare gays to pedophiles. Just because pedophiles like children, should we give them the right to marry children, just because they are not normal? I don't care if people are gay, we should not enact laws just because people chose a certain lifestyle.
jhofficial

If we use SAR logic, then bigamy should also be legal.
SunAlsoRises

rorapid wrote:
I love how you compare it to that, so I again will compare gays to pedophiles. Just because pedophiles like children, should we give them the right to marry children, just because they are not normal? I don't care if people are gay, we should not enact laws just because people chose a certain lifestyle.


We've already discussed the nature vs nurture argument, so your argument of "it goes against nature" is out the window, obviously.

Comparing gay people to pedophiles is despicable. Pedophiles prey on innocent children who are too young to even understand sexual things, they are harming another person. That is why it is illegal.

You're seriously an absolute idiot if you think they're similar. Gay couples are two adults who decide to have a committed relationship. They aren't harming each other, they aren't harming you, and I'll guarantee you 99% of gay couples who want to get married are more loving and committed than your average heterosexual couple, judging by divorce/infidelity/domestic violence rates.

You want to see something "destroying traditional marriage?" Look no farther than married people.
Cap'n Slappy

I wonder what the world looks like through the eyes of racists and homophobes?
SunAlsoRises

jhofficial wrote:
If we use SAR logic, then bigamy should also be legal.


I'm not a fan of bigamy, but if you're a bible-believer, you should already know that "god" thinks its a-ok!  You know, the same one that said you need to put homosexuals to death. Rolling Eyes

http://www.gospelministry.net/polygamy_study.html
SunAlsoRises

Cap'n Slappy wrote:
I wonder what the world looks like through the eyes of racists and homophobes?


I hope I never know.
jhofficial

SunAlsoRises wrote:
jhofficial wrote:
If we use SAR logic, then bigamy should also be legal.


I'm not a fan of bigamy, but if you're a bible-believer, you should already know that "god" thinks its a-ok!  You know, the same one that said you need to put homosexuals to death. Rolling Eyes

http://www.gospelministry.net/polygamy_study.html


Lets say that I give you that one.  Then its is society that says bigamy is not acceptable, true?  So why cant society say the same for gay marriage? How can you be a fan of one and not the other?
rorapid

People are sick and crazy! These guys should rot in jail.

updated 1:59 p.m. ET, Wed., Nov. 12, 2008
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - A Dutch court convicted two men Wednesday for attempting to infect 14 victims with HIV in a bizarre sex case.

The Groningen District Court found the two guilty of severe assault for injecting semiconscious men with HIV-infected blood at sex parties between January 2006 and May 2007.

Peter M., 49, who was also convicted of rape, was sentenced to nine years in prison and Hans J., 39, received a five-year sentence. Under Dutch privacy laws, the surnames of convicted criminals are not released.

Prosecutors said they would appeal for higher sentences.

"By committing these acts, (Peter M.) has shown himself to have a serious lack of respect for the rights of others," the three-judge panel's written ruling said. "While he knew from his own experience what far-reaching consequences are tied to an infection with HIV, he repeatedly attempted to bring this same hurt to others."

Prosecutors had argued that the two men, along with a third who was acquitted of major charges, had drugged the 14 victims and intentionally infected them.

But in Wednesday's ruling, judges said while the victims all had HIV, it could not be proven that they were infected by the injections because they willingly took part in orgies where gay men had unprotected sex.

The judges also said allegations the victims were given GHB, known as a "date rape" drug, were also unproven.

The suspects were not charged with attempted murder since Dutch courts have held that HIV is a chronic illness rather than an inevitably fatal one.
SunAlsoRises

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ROCKFORD, Alabama (CNN) -- One of two men accused of killing an Alabama man because he was gay said God told him to admit the crime, authorities said.

Steven Mullins, 25, and Charles Butler Jr., 21, have been charged with murder in the February 19 slaying of 39-year-old Billy Jack Gaither.

Sheriff's investigators in Coosa County, southeast of Birmingham, say Mullins and Butler beat Gaither to death with an ax handle, then set his body ablaze on a pyre of old tires.

Sheriff's Deputy Al Bradley said both men have confessed the killing. Bradley said Butler confessed Monday after a night in jail without sleep.

Mullins, "while in jail on another charge, said God told him he needed to confess," Bradley said.

"He had a jailer or a trusty go get the investigators," the deputy said.
SunAlsoRises

Quote:
(CNN) -- A gay University of Wyoming student who was pistol-whipped and lashed to a fence post in an attack denounced nationwide as a hate crime died from his injuries early Monday morning without regaining consciousness.

Matthew Shepard, 21, died while on full life support, Rulon Stacey, the chief executive officer of Poudre Valley Hospital, told reporters.

Shepard had been in a coma since bicyclists found him tethered to the post in near-freezing temperatures outside Laramie, Wyoming, on Wednesday.

Shepard had been in critical condition at the hospital and died at 12:53 a.m. on Monday with his family at his bedside, Stacey said.

His parents, Judy and Dennis Shepard, had flown from Saudi Arabia where the father works in the oil industry, to be with their son.
SunAlsoRises

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BUDAPEST, July 5 (Reuters) - Hungarian riot police used water cannon and tear gas on Saturday to stop far-right extremists from throwing petrol bombs and breaking up the annual gay parade in the capital Budapest.

Hundreds of far-right demonstrators threw petrol bombs and stones at the police as the police tried to separate them from the participants of the "Gay Pride" march. They also threw eggs and firecrackers at people in the parade.

Riot police detained 45 people, police spokeswoman Eva Tafferner said.

Ambulance workers and police said at least eight people were wounded in the clashes, including two policemen.

The anti-gay demonstrators attacked a police car carrying Socialist European Parliament member and human rights activist Katalin Levai. They slammed a stone through the window of the police car but she was not hurt.

"This is outrageous and shameful that some 20 years after the change of regime, this is what we have ... such intolerance," Levai told Reuters.

"This (violence) is sad," said 32-year-old book editor Istvan Ruzsacz, who took part in the parade.

"Those people simply don't accept that gays exist and use this as an opportunity to advertise themselves."

A leading liberal politician Gabor Horn was also attacked according to local news agency Index.

Although homosexuality was legalised in eastern Europe after the collapse of communism, same-sex couples rarely display their affection publicly and gay parades have sparked scorn and violence in several other countries in the region.

A week ago, about 60 far-right extremists were arrested in Bulgaria's capital, Sofia, after they tried to break up the country's first gay parade.

Participants in a parade in the Czech city of Brno were also attacked by anti-gay activists last week.
flyupsidedown

SAR wrote:
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and I'll guarantee you 99% of gay couples who want to get married are more loving and committed


Honestly, you can't guarantee anything.  Nor can you speak for them.  

As for your biblical references to multiple wives you are wrong.  Hmmm . . . there is an important aspect to bible understanding called 'first use'.  As such, the first time scripture mentions a topic 'first use' gives you a clue as to how to interpret the rest of the references if 'interpretation' is necessary.  For instance,  it is funny that God created Adam . . . and Eve.  Not Adam and Carol, Betty, Mary, Susan, Cathy and Donna.  I mean Adam had more ribs available.  For that matter he didn't create Adam and Bruce either.

You need to go to church if you want to hear the truth.  It is a lot easier than making it up anecdotally as you go.
SunAlsoRises

flyupsidedown wrote:
SAR wrote:
Quote:
and I'll guarantee you 99% of gay couples who want to get married are more loving and committed


Honestly, you can't guarantee anything.  Nor can you speak for them.  

As for your biblical references to multiple wives you are wrong.  Hmmm . . . there is an important aspect to bible understanding called 'first use'.  As such, the first time scripture mentions a topic 'first use' gives you a clue as to how to interpret the rest of the references if 'interpretation' is necessary.  For instance,  it is funny that God created Adam . . . and Eve.  Not Adam and Carol, Betty, Mary, Susan, Cathy and Donna.  I mean Adam had more ribs available.  For that matter he didn't create Adam and Bruce either.

You need to go to church if you want to hear the truth.  It is a lot easier than making it up anecdotally as you go.


Riiiiiight, and church is where you're picking up silly "logic" like that? I think I'll refrain, thank you very much. Rolling Eyes

You can't even admit something that's clearly in the bible! Along with plenty of god-approved (and suggested!) genocide, slavery, murder, rape, and all sorts of general unpleasantness.
Kim

I do not buy the "gay gene" theory ....I think it is a choice.
I am not gay, nor do I want to be but I say " Live & Let Live".  
I like people for how they treat me, not for the choices they make.
That falls under the category of their business, not mine or the society.
Who am I to say it's right, or wrong for them?

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