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SunAlsoRises
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 Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: A Letter from a good friend on the aftermath of Prop 8.. |
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I have such mixed feelings today. I'm ecstatic about our new president, but I'm deeply saddened that enough bigotry still exists in our country to allow such a barbaric proposition to pass... I received this email from a good friend of mine this morning who moved from NC to CA some time ago:
| Quote: | I woke up this morning being less of a citizen in this state than I was last night, and It was perhaps the worst feeling I have ever felt.
One thing, though, was echoing through my head as I cried for the freedom that we have lost...and for the sacrifices that I made for my freedom...and even more for the sacrifices that people I love, people in this family have made for our freedom:
Still my heart says
The shadows bring the starlight
And everything you ever loved
Is still there in the dark night.
We will not give up. We will not lay down and let the despair of loss wash over us, because I, for one, am Southern, and it is not in my spirit to do that. Pray for all of the families who are now told they aren't together. Pray for all the love that has to fight so hard to stay true.
Change is a storm sweeping across the world. We did not lay down and let them take us at Stonewall, I did not lay down and give up when they told me I could not take a boy to my senior prom. Our cousin and his husband did not lay down and accept it when they told them that they were not allowed to marry, and none of us will lay down and let this wash over us.
I love you all, and thank you so much for your support. |
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I completely disagree. "Marriage" is between a woman and a man and a religious establishment. A civil union, which I do support BTW, would give homosexuals the exact same rights legally and financially that a marriage would.
As for how it happened in California, its easy when you think about it. The Latino vote came out big and voted for Obama. Not a big surprise. But they are VERY Catholic and the Catholic church is not in favor of gay marriage. Hell Obama himself doesn't support gay marriage. So we shouldn't be surprised that they voted for Prop 8. I would have voted for it too. But I would also vote for civil unions so that they may enjoy all the rights and privileges associated. |
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Civil Unions are great and all... But getting down to the nitty-gritty, it's still not fair... If it's no big deal for you to give a same-sex couple the same benefits a married "traditional" couple receives, what is the problem with giving them the right to be recognized as a married couple in the full legal and publicly acknowledged way that other couples are??? It's just not right. The so-called "sanctity" of marriage will not be diminished by same-sex couples... it's been diminished in our modern society... not that a right to get a divorce and all is a bad thing, but when you have 20 somethings marrying old men on their deathbed for their money, well, I believe it's those couples destroying the real sanctity of marriage.
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There you go the new moral compass of America has spoken.
Strange though we are suppose to except, get over and move on that the majority elected Obama president, yet some cant except that the majority on this issue has spoken as well. Just goes to show that the liberals in this country will never be satisfied.
Oh BTW I could care less what gay people choose to do. Wanna marry I dont care. But the Prop was defeated fair and square wasn't it????????? |
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SunAlsoRises
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| jhofficial wrote: | There you go the new moral compass of America has spoken.
Strange though we are suppose to except, get over and move on that the majority elected Obama president, yet some cant except that the majority on this issue has spoken as well. Just goes to show that the liberals in this country will never be satisfied. |
No, it shows that I am not led by the pack, I am led by my personal convictions and beliefs, regardless of what even 99% of the rest of the world may think.
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Oh BTW I could care less what gay people choose to do. Wanna marry I dont care. But the Prop was defeated fair and square wasn't it????????? |
I, and many others will continue to fight this, for years if necessary, and even if I'm the only one who supports it.
Just as I would fight a bill that once again legalized segregation, or forbade interracial marriages. I will never give up, and never allow the cretins who hold these beliefs to gain an inch if I can help it.
Hopefully, the fundamentalists will either come to their senses eventually(not likely, as several members here demonstrate), or disappear, that's all we can hope for at this point.
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| SunAlsoRises wrote: | | jhofficial wrote: | There you go the new moral compass of America has spoken.
Strange though we are suppose to except, get over and move on that the majority elected Obama president, yet some cant except that the majority on this issue has spoken as well. Just goes to show that the liberals in this country will never be satisfied.
Oh BTW I could care less what gay people choose to do. Wanna marry I dont care. But the Prop was defeated fair and square wasn't it????????? |
I, and many others will continue to fight this, for years if necessary, and even if I'm the only one who supports it.
Just as I would fight a bill that once again legalized segregation, or forbade interracial marriages. I will never give up, and never allow the cretins who hold these beliefs to gain an inch if I can help it.
Hopefully, the fundamentalists will either come to their senses eventually(not likely, as several members here demonstrate), or disappear, that's all we can hope for at this point. |
My feeling exactly concerning the President Elect, majority leader of the senate and the Speaker of the house!!!!!!!!
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Oh I see what happened. your post is inside "my quotes." If you want I'll fix it for you.
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| jhofficial wrote: |
There you go the new moral compass of America has spoken.
Strange though we are suppose to except, get over and move on that the majority elected Obama president, yet some cant except that the majority on this issue has spoken as well. Just goes to show that the liberals in this country will never be satisfied.
Oh BTW I could care less what gay people choose to do. Wanna marry I dont care. But the Prop was defeated fair and square wasn't it????????? |
The "new moral compass of America" is not to impose your own idea of what being moral is on othersm how ever demented your interpretation may be... this has nothing to do with God or the President, it has to do with people fighting for their fundamental rights... Our gov't is supposedly some kind of secular phenomena, yet most of it's citizens are stuck in some kind of regressive rut. Liberals will be satisfied the day that this country and the world provides true equality under the law and equal rights to all.
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| ThornInMyPride wrote: | | The "new moral compass of America" is not to impose your own idea of what being moral is on othersm how ever demented your interpretation may be... this has nothing to do with God or the President, it has to do with people fighting for their fundamental rights... Our gov't is supposedly some kind of secular phenomena, yet most of it's citizens are stuck in some kind of regressive rut. Liberals will be satisfied the day that this country and the world provides true equality under the law and equal rights to all. |
But Thorn, didn't you hear? If we give rights to gays, "we'll have to give rights to murderers and pedophiles too!" 
Good post.
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| SunAlsoRises wrote: | | jhofficial wrote: | There you go the new moral compass of America has spoken.
Strange though we are suppose to except, get over and move on that the majority elected Obama president, yet some cant except that the majority on this issue has spoken as well. Just goes to show that the liberals in this country will never be satisfied. |
No, it shows that I am not led by the pack, I am led by my personal convictions and beliefs, regardless of what even 99% of the rest of the world may think.
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Oh BTW I could care less what gay people choose to do. Wanna marry I dont care. But the Prop was defeated fair and square wasn't it????????? |
I, and many others will continue to fight this, for years if necessary, and even if I'm the only one who supports it.
Just as I would fight a bill that once again legalized segregation, or forbade interracial marriages. I will [b]never give up, and never allow the cretins who hold these beliefs to gain an inch if I can help it.
Hopefully, the fundamentalists will either come to their senses eventually(not likely, as several members here demonstrate), or disappear, that's all we can hope for at this point. |
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Is this how you will fight it??????
Radical Michigan Gay Group Attacks Christian Church Service
A radical gay group in Michigan crashed an evangelical church service on Sunday.
The radicals interrupted the service rushed the pulpit with a megaphone, noise makers, condoms, glitter by the bucket load, confetti, and pink fabric while screaming at the churchgoers.
This was in Michigan.
Right Michigan reported:
On Sunday, November 9, 2008 Michigan liberals sat peacefully through announcements, worship and prayer for the sick, our nation and our President-elect before staging a coordinated, disgusting and repulsive attack on worshipers and the broader concept of the church itself at Lansing's Mount Hope Church.
The lefties were a part of a liberal organization known as Bash Back Lansing and their collection of radical blogs, including one of the state's most widely read "mainstream" progressive blogs (and none which will receive a link on this website) called on "queers and trannies" from across the state and the region to converge on Lansing for what they refer to as an "action."
...over 30 of them showed up in force yesterday. Wearing secret-service style ear pieces and microphones they received the "go" from their ringleader and off they went.
...Prayer had just finished when men and women stood up in pockets across the congregation, on the main floor and in the balcony. "Jesus was gay," they shouted among other profanities and blasphemies as they rushed the stage. Some forced their way through rows of women and kids to try to hang a profane banner from the balcony while others began tossing fliers into the air. Two women made their way to the pulpit and began to kiss.
Their other props? I'll let them tell you in their own words... from another of their liberal blogs:
"(A) video camera, a megaphone, noise makers, condoms, glitter by the bucket load, confetti, pink fabric...yeh."
Don't expect the mainstream media to pick up on this.
Bash Back supporters at Infoshop News welcomed their attack
posted by Gateway Pundit at 11/10/2008 04:30:00 PM |
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That's hilarious, wish I had seen it!  They're nutcases, obviously.
Let's balance things out by showing a few nutcases on your side:
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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My side huh? Your a nut  |
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| jhofficial wrote: | | My side huh? Your a nut |
Seeing as how you tried to associate my beliefs with the extreme faction of "my side's" opinion, I thought it appropriate to associate you with the extreme faction of the gay-haters.
It's only fair! 
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